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Chain (ID: 1b91b7)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15654

Why do some people have so much trouble with decoupling and thinking logically?

Snowbell (ID: f56290)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15655

Some people are only good for licking windows.

Moony (ID: 63bd2c)Country code: se, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15674

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No
Yes

Shalissa (ID: 586822)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15677

Because people don't enjoy exploring history, including the things that upset them

Snake (ID: 00c4c4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15705

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Most of humanity are little more than NPCs.
They cannot fathom the hypothetical of the breakfast.

You ask them, "if you did not eat breakfast today, would you be hungry?" And they will blankly answer you "But I did eat breakfast".

Shalissa (ID: d06d63)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15711

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>>15705
I'm eating breakfast right now

Shalissa (ID: 4dcec3)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15713

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What if we called breakfast "Freakfast" where we all ate ass and sucked toes?

I'm getting FULL just thinking about it...

Snake (ID: adcfcf)Country code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 15716

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>>15711
>eating breakfast right now
>noon
M8

>>15713
So long as my eggs get thick sausage to complete the meal.

Shalissa (ID: 4a3234)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15717

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>>15716
>timezones
>sausage
You get demoted to slice of ham.
>where will Sally look for her ball?
Her basket. Then she'll realize it's missing but probably won't check the box if she's s decent person, because unlike that other cunt, Sally isn't an invasive thief. But then again I don't know Sally. For all I know she's been asking for it for a while noe.. She could also be freaking out and look in the immediate vicinity including property that isn't her own. Unspoken social contracts are strong and I dont know the relationship between Sally and Annie, so it's hard to say.
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Snake (ID: 00c4c4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15719

>>15717
>Annie
>clearly says Anne
Dawi level reading comprehension

Shalissa (ID: 931905)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15720

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>>15719
I'm sorry I dont have these little tiny baby elven finger tips and have a hard time with my phone and auto correct.

!PipesTtB.A (ID: af58dd)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15737

>>15720
Why did you reply on ponyville to that anon in Moonys sticky saying we dont even know who you are and talking about Pipes.

Who the heck do you think made them posts, i couldnt have been more obvious 😅

Shalissa (ID: f17b59)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15738

>>15737
What?

Moony (ID: 63bd2c)Country code: se, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15745

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>>15738

Maroon Auburn!QEUQfdPtTM (ID: 1c026d)Country code: gb, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15748

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Anonymous (ID: 665adf)Country code: de, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15749

>>15654
you hear "hitler had some good ideas" but they never explain what those ideas are probably because they know the majority of society would rightfully find it repulsive

Shalissa (ID: 731faf)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15753

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>>15745
Two Steps Ahead.

Shalissa (ID: f9d7ab)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15754

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>>15749
Anti smoking campaigns, anti animal cruelty acts, creating the autobahn, ect, ect

Anonymous (ID: 665adf)Country code: de, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15755

>>15754
>Anti smoking campaigns
if it was just health awareness you would have a point but it wasn't. the reasons for this were sketchy and involved hitler's racism believing that it was "the red man's wrath against the white man" and for the belief that the industry had jewish connections. with this in mind it isn't a good point. public bans on smoking occurred although at least they didn't ban it fully.
>anti animal cruelty acts
this of course only is true if they weren't a jewish pet or similar, then they would get about the same treatment as jews or more. while there was a law passed on hunting it was fairly lax and common among nazi leaders fully to hitler's knowledge when he said that hunting for german officers is like jewelry for women and they even encouraged whaling to a scale that surpassed any before it in germany's history. the enforcement of animal protection is also questionable. i think theres enough here to assume that hitler's intentions or exceptions were at least questionable as well. maybe it did some good overall but that's not really a good idea if it's mired in rules for ours not yours.
>autobahn
this was not hitler's idea he merely carried it out and at first he was actually opposed to it seeing it as a superfluous luxury. so im not sure if i would hand that one to him.

Shalissa (ID: fb679e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15757

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>>15755
I do have a point. Regardless of Hitler's intentions, (which was the well being and health of soldiers and German civilians alike,) it was a good idea.

The nazi party also banned vivisections, and were heavily against animal testing. Whether or not it was held to the same standards for the Jews or not, it was still a good idea.

>autobahn
Yes, it wasn't Hitler's personal idea, but it was heavily pushed for by the nazi party and turned out to be an extremely good idea.

As for the treatment of the jews if we're going to go there: through torture the nazis discovered a few break through in medicine and treatment. A good example was the refinement of how to treat hypothermia and frost bite.

I dont like the modern day nazi. I find it to be cringe as fuck. But to say hitler and the nazi party didn't come up with or support good ideas is retarded.

Anonymous (ID: 665adf)Country code: de, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15760

>>15757
>I do have a point. Regardless of Hitler's intentions, (which was the well being and health of soldiers and German civilians alike,) it was a good idea.
well that is your opinion. mine is that it's not a good idea if you're doing it for malicious purposes and the result is questionable at best in many cases.
>As for the treatment of the jews if we're going to go there: through torture the nazis discovered a few break through in medicine and treatment. A good example was the refinement of how to treat hypothermia and frost bite.
i've yet to see evidence that this wasn't incidental rather than an "idea". do you realize how many people would call you a nazi sympathizer for saying this? yes i get your point but things like that effectively only serve to muddy the waters a lot of times. why is it that often the same people that hate the end justifies the means mentality of authoritarian communists bring stuff like this up? do the means only overule the end when it's something the person personally likes?
>I dont like the modern day nazi. I find it to be cringe as fuck. But to say hitler and the nazi party didn't come up with or support good ideas is retarded.
i hope you also don't like the original nazis. even if you think all of these are good things i can't see how it makes up for all of the bad they brought to not only their own nation but to a good chunk of the world.

Shalissa (ID: 1b82fc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15762

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>>15760
>well that is your opinion. mine is that it's not a good idea if you're doing it for malicious purposes and the result is questionable at best in many cases.
If I invent a medicine that you (and others) need to survive, but am only willing to give it to you for money, that could be seen as malicious and greedy. One step further. If I only invented it with the intentions of forcing you to humiliate yourself or with the stipulation that you're going to be my slave for a month (or whatever or stupid reason inserted here), that still wouldn't take away from the fact that whatever I invented was a good idea.

You can separate intentions and results; ulterior motives and good ideas.
>do you realize how many people would call you a nazi sympathizer for saying this
I actually don't give a fuck. If people want to believe that they probably aren't actually listening to what I'm saying.
I can acknowledge that Genghis Khan and his Mongols had great ideas and still not sympathize with them. (And they were arguably worse than the nazis, considering they literally killed and raped more people by FAR than the nazis did. He and his armies killed off like 40 million people during his life time. So many that records show the Earth's temperature dropped from the reduced global population.)
>i've yet to see evidence that this wasn't incidental rather than an "idea".
Fair enough. I suppose the idea was to test on humans, which doesn't follow my moral compass, but they were going to do what they were going to do.
I hate to say it, but the best way to train/test is on living creatures and from a scientific perspective, what better than a living human?
There's a reason the American military still performs 'tissue tests' on live animals when training combat medics.
>why is it that often the same people that hate the end justifies the means mentality of authoritarian communists bring stuff like this up? do the means only overule the end when it's something the person personally likes?
Hey, I didn't say it was right. I'm just saying it was a good idea for everyone else. Obviously I think performing vivisections and torturing people is wrong.
>i hope you also don't like the original nazis.
I dont, but I have more respect for them than these wanna be crust punks larping as something they're not.

Side note: why are a lot of neo nazis and white supremacists not even white?

Shalissa (ID: c716f9)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15763

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Speaking of vivisections,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herophilos

This dude chopped people up left and right and paved the way for the foundations of understanding anatomy.

Slaanesh is pleased.

Chain (ID: 1b91b7)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15767

>>15763
"this account has been disputed by many historians"

Chain (ID: f47eb8)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15791

>>15749
>you hear "hitler had some good ideas" but they never explain what those ideas
What are you talking about? The OP image gives such an idea: "the government to ban smoking on public transportation".

>>15755
>>15760
That's a lot of words but you don't manage to say anything that is both (1) relevant to the question of whether Hitler had any good ideas and (2) remotely reasonable.

Here's a hint: write out the question in first-order logic (FOL).

Let H(x) denote "x is an idea that Hitler had"

Let G(x) denote "x is a good idea"

Then the question “Did Hitler have some good ideas?” becomes:

∃x [H(x) ∧ G(x)]

In words:

“There exists at least one idea x such that x is an idea that Hitler had and x is good.”

Let SB be the idea of banning smoking in public transportation.
The H(SB) and G(SB) are both true.

Shalissa (ID: a30528)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15792

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>>15767
Yeah I know. I should have said allegedly. I think I side with the historians who say it did happen with live subjects. I remember watching a documentary where they said this dude as well as some other scholars would have entire open and outdoor sessions of taking apart prisoners, and that even children were allowed to partake in witnessing.

If true, isn't that fucked up? Hah!

>>15791
>logic and trying to turn a question into a math problem

Cringe!

Snake (ID: adcfcf)Country code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 15793

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>>15760
>well that's your opinion
If you can recognize people have these opinions, you should likewise be able to recognize the statements here >>15749 were inaccurate;
The ideas were explained, you just personally disagree with them.

Moony (ID: 63bd2c)Country code: se, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15794

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>>15791
Well even Baron Bad von Ide´a, the man known for having bad ideas, had some good ideas.

Shalissa (ID: a60adc)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15795

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I've never had a bad idea in my life

Chain (ID: 1b91b7)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15796

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>>15794
Exactly! I don't get why lots of people try to overcomplicate things by imagining that the question means something other than its straightforward meaning in FOL.

Moony (ID: 63bd2c)Country code: se, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15799

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>>15796
It's a gotya question.

Anonymous (ID: 2e7fda)Country code: de, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15800

>>15762
>I dont
all i'll say here is good.
>>15791
>What are you talking about? The OP image gives such an idea: "the government to ban smoking on public transportation".
i'm talking about people who say hitler had good ideas and don't elaborate further obviously not the op directly. i'm talking about the general idea and how some people represent it.
>That's a lot of words but you don't manage to say anything that is both (1) relevant to the question of whether Hitler had any good ideas and (2) remotely reasonable.
i believe you are wrong.
>Here's a hint: write out the question in first-order logic (FOL).
this is reductive and potentially disingenuous. yes you could easily argue he had some even a great many good ideas by this logic but it ignores the fact that ideas often don't come in isolation. this an example unrelated to hitler. is it a good idea to save the earth by environmental action? yes. is it a good idea to "save the earth" by implementing ecofascist environmental policies that are incredibly repressive and anti-human? no. you can not just remove the idea from the context that it was thought up in. at least that is how i view it and I see no reason to believe i am incorrect yet.
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Anonymous (ID: 2e7fda)Country code: de, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15803

>>15793
i misread which part of it you were likely suggesting was inaccurate initially i think. yes technically it is inaccurate on paper but i didn't mean never literally. i mean that it's often just said without any further context by many people.

Shalissa (ID: 3a22e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15805

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>>15800
smdh next you're going to tell me that Slaanesh doesn't have your best intentions in mind.
>i'm talking about people who say hitler had good ideas and don't elaborate further obviously not the op directly. i'm talking about the general idea and how some people represent it.
I will say that the fact that people have to justify it immediately is a show of how sensitive people are for something that happened almost 100 years ago.
Like when people talk about the holocaust I honestly feel about the same thing I feel when hearing about other ancient tyrants such as the Khan himself or other acts of historical violence such as when Vlad the Impaler killed all those Muslim turks. I feel bad for a moment but filter. It happened long, long before I was born.

Shalissa (ID: 870b30)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15806

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This is gonna sound fucked up, but I find the holocaust more fascinating than heart tugging on a personal level. Yeah it sucked that it happened to those people, but a lot of people die. A lot of people get tortured. Look at any war in history.

I actually felt more sorrow reading about how Roboute Guilliman met spoken with his father after 10, 000 years.

The reunion between Guilliman and the Emperor

I know they are fictional characters but it hits on such a more personal level within my own perspective. To think, if I had the ability to speak with the dead, and speak with my own father; a man who I respected as a man, and held dear as a friend and parent; someone who held strength larger than life in my youthful eyes. And in regards to this story, to finally be able to reach through the veils of life and death only to see the man you once knew in life so broken and scattered; unable to form a simple sentence outside of repeating phrases and random access memories of words in recognition to your character, and events of their life. I think that would break me more than the death itself.

>Better that we all burn in the fires of Horus' ambition than to live to see this!
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Anonymous (ID: 2e7fda)Country code: de, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15810

>>15806
believe it or not i don't often have such strong emotional movement from the holocaust either but i still recognize that it was a tragedy best avoided with much untold suffering that we could not even begin to comprehend unless experienced and thus it informs my views regardless of my emotions. it's also an example of something that should never be repeated. yes there are many tragic events in history, possibly even worse ones but it also happened around the time of one of if not the most significant events in relatively recent history that also was during a time that it could be documented to insane extents (world war 2) further adding to why we keep going back to it aside from the fact that many others were much further back.

Moony (ID: 63bd2c)Country code: se, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15811

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When I hear stories of ancient warlords I'm thinking: Man. Those guys had some serious tard rage.

Shalissa (ID: 398da4)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15812

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>>15811
I actually agree with you. Sometimes justified and sometimes not, but the RAAAAGE was there

Shalissa (ID: 3a22e5)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15813

>>15810
>untold
To be fair, I think part of the reason so much discomfort comes from tales of WW1/WW2 and wars after is due to the amount of documentation as the exact levels of suffering that happened.

I mean entire accounts of mustard gas melting people's lungs and faces off getting reported or dying people being eaten alive by rats, you'd had to be a complete monster not to feel even a touch of sympathy.

And I'm not just moral high grounding either. Even when I read stories about like the brazen bull, I'm like, "Goddamn.." at the same time there is that internal filter. I think if I personally didn't have that filter I'd go insane from the amount of cruelty life has to offer; humans have simply perfected it to an art form.

I have to say, while at first this was a bit of an unpleasant conversation, I'm actually quite enjoying speaking with you and hearing your perspective on things.
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Anonymous (ID: 2e7fda)Country code: de, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15815

>>15813
yes but what i meant was you can't truly comprehend how bad it is unless you experience it firsthand . bad wording admittedly.

Shalissa (ID: fb679e)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15816

>>15815
Personal experiences and context can portray a good image.

I've had my flesh split open a few times over in my life, with blood flowing like a river. You might have never experienced that, or dont have a pain tolerance as my own, but you can have an idea of it. Shedding hairs serves no purpose if it ends there. I would need to speak to a survivor to gain a little more insight. I can imagine my lungs burning, my skin charred by fire, and my body beaten and withered away from abuse and starvation.

You are right. Unless I experienced it myself, just as unless you've been in the military you don't know what bootcamp was like; and you will truly never know unless you were there. I was. But I won't take your ability to sympathize or attempt to empathize away from you.

I might have never been in the holocaust, but I can imagine the starvation, the humiliations, and physical/mental anguish and agony. Thankfully all I can do is imagine.

A more light hearted analogy (my auto correct is killing me) is that you can't comprehend this massive and painful shit I took while typing this. God. You can imagine it, but you'll never know *from the inside* of my own experience. You'll always remain and outsider

Anyway, I'm rambling
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Anonymous (ID: 2e7fda)Country code: de, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15817

>>15816
people should be able to sympathize or attempt to empathize yes it wasn't my point that they shouldn't to be clear

Moony (ID: 63bd2c)Country code: se, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15819

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hmmmm yes
I shall now sympathize.

Chain (ID: 1b91b7)Country code: us, country type: geoip, valid: 1  15832

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>>15800
>this is reductive
Reducing to FOL is reductive? Yeah, so?

>and potentially disingenuous
The truth value of a proposition depends only on its semantics. Gricean implicature comes into play when choosing whether to assert a true statement, not when evaluating whether an existing statement is true or false.

>it ignores the fact that ideas often don't come in isolation
Yes, because that is irrelevant to the truth value of the proposition in question!

> you can not just remove the idea from the context that it was thought up in.
Wrong, I can do that very easily! It is *you* who seems to be having difficulty with decoupling.

Pic unrelated.
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